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Club Information => Club Xcursion Information => Topic started by: Hammer (Avi) on September 01, 2015, 06:16:41 AM

Title: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: Hammer (Avi) on September 01, 2015, 06:16:41 AM
This is a trail I have been interested in running for sometime.  This will be my first time running the trail and as such I will be limiting the trail to 5 others and experienced  off-roaders.  This is listed as a moderate trail and should take the majority of the day.  If we can get someone who is familiar with this trail to lead we may be able to open it up further, but please post if you are sure you can attend. 

When: September 19th 10AM
Where:The trail starts at 79 and Price road, Here (https://goo.gl/maps/18L3C)
What you need: Basic Survival/Wheeling Gear, see list Here (http://www.azxterraclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=686.0) for a good start
*Additionally; this trail appears to be on State Trust Land, which requires a permit, check Here (http://www.azxterraclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=1061.0) for additional info. 

Attendees
Hammer
Pinchel
Chuy
Maybe
Timh

Box Canyon



Coke Ovens
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: Hammer (Avi) on September 01, 2015, 07:06:13 AM
I have been told that Coke Ovens has been closed by the owners.  If this is the case we will run the entirety of Box Canyon, rather than taking the turn off for Coke Ovens. 
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: pinchel (Rob) on September 01, 2015, 07:10:21 AM
I would love to go on this one! I work almost every Saturday of my life, so I can't make it.

I added maps to the OP.
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: timh on September 01, 2015, 08:05:11 PM
The Ovens are indeed closed but last I heard AZ State Parks was in negotiations to buy the land so it will probably be reopened and preserved. The trail from Box Canyon to the Coke Ovens is extremely rough and long. A stock rig can do it but its slow going. My personal experience is that it is too rough and long for most people to enjoy. There is also risk of it being an out and back if the Gila is too deep to cross at the end.

Either way, we might possibly be up for run that weekend.
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: Chuy on September 01, 2015, 08:32:15 PM
The coke ovens is an awesome trail, I have done it several times both ways and have had my worst break downs/bad luck/stuck situations  on this trail. Its an easy to moderate trail, but I have ran it so many times anything can happen when you are not on your game or take it lightly. The Gila flow rate at the crossing is super low right now and it has been very dry this year, Im sure you could comeback crossing the Gila, but going up it might be impossible in an X with the recent storms, unless you take the by-pass if it hasn't been washed out.

Jeep Break down on the stair step bad luck + weak u-joint + high pinion angle = 2 night break down waiting for parts during August  ;D
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/909/E4eaAp.jpg) (http://imageshack.com/f/p9E4eaApj)

My poor little jeep on 35" KM2's, more lift wasn't a match for the mud on a night run to coke the ovens via Cochran. I was so stuck and flooded I needed to be winched out shortly after I made my final attempt up the embankment.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4146/5065019766_0eb154f0a1_t.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/8HzxV1)PA030150 (https://flic.kr/p/8HzxV1) by Ernie Ruiz (https://www.flickr.com/photos/neatus/), on Flickr

About the only thing that can stop a Land Cruiser is a sidewall tire tear and leaving the spare at home. This happened right at the final descent to the coke ovens. Coke Ovens are a short walking distance away.

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/661/XXMUpv.jpg) (http://imageshack.com/f/idXXMUpvj)
Redemption was quick after I had KM2's pizza cutters and a spare with me the next go around.
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/547/e0ah.jpg) (http://imageshack.com/f/f7e0ahj)

My Poor Little Zuk had no chance going up the muddy bank even with the MT Kenda Klevers and TRED tacks.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5599/15455691615_019918884d_t.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pxLsDD)DSC_0015 (https://flic.kr/p/pxLsDD) by Ernie Ruiz (https://www.flickr.com/photos/neatus/), on Flickr
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: timh on September 02, 2015, 02:47:50 PM
You can't predict the Gila river flow.  It is monsoon season and can change in a matter of minutes.  Even out of monsoon season I have seen drastic differences in flow from day to day.  It all depends on how much they are letting out of the dam at San Carlos.  I have done numerous trips to the Coke Ovens on dirt bikes when I thought the river was low and had to back track almost every time after being surprised by much higher flows.
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: XID on September 02, 2015, 02:54:38 PM
I ran Box Canyon last November and January in my mostly stock 2013 Pro-4X, only upgrade is sliders.
Most of the trail is not bad at all.  I ran it coming from the north, past Ajax, following Mineral Mountain road until to connects to Box Canyon road.  The biggest problem was "the shelf". As you can see in the pic below, it's a pretty nasty drop off(for reference my son is about 5 ft tall).  You have to take the line to the right(left in pic) and hug the rock wall. I took a little slider scrapeage on the way down but that was it.  Once you're past that it's pretty easy going.  Just a few rocks in the road that you can easily navigate around/over if you take your time.
When I ran it in January, I took a friend with a bone stock Liberty.  We bypassed the shelf, by taking another road to the east of the shelf, which meets the main box canyon road a mile or less south of the shelf.  Also, I heard from some other wheelers out there that the road to Martinez Cabin/Canyon is closed off as well.  I may have a GPX/KML track that I can post if I can dig it up.  The shelf is located Here (https://www.google.com/maps/place/33%C2%B010'26.2%22N+111%C2%B012'14.0%22W/@33.1745494,-111.2032745,16.01z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/fxSQBY6go1Wi-e5VCUM4JvZrHAYJIXKj4-FLXy_2n9zk=w1359-h1019-no)
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: Chuy on September 02, 2015, 04:50:58 PM
You can't predict the Gila river flow.  It is monsoon season and can change in a matter of minutes.

You can check the flow rate for that area daily online to get an idea of what it will be like in the morning. It updates about every 15-30mins, but yea if it decides to dump rain somewhere else it can change  very quickly. I have done that run in the rain and a stock liberty with AT tires did just fine. We just looped back instead of trying to cross the river. 
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: pinchel (Rob) on September 10, 2015, 11:19:10 AM
I'm interested in going if I can get that day off and get a permit.
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: Chuy on September 13, 2015, 07:44:32 PM
I'm interested in going if I can get that day off and get a permit.

X2, this trail will be rough for an Xterra, I have a permit and a 2nd one available. From what I can see on the map STL is only right as soon as you drive up to the Coke Ovens. Secondly a hunting license, permits travel in the area if you are hunting.

That shelf via Box Canyon is nothing to worry about a stock anything will make it down. Going up should be cake if you take the easy line.

Is this still happening?
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: Hammer (Avi) on September 13, 2015, 09:06:30 PM
This is still happening, looking forward to checking a new area.  Too bad we wont be able to visit the coke ovens but hopefully they will be reopened soon. 
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: pinchel (Rob) on September 14, 2015, 07:13:14 AM
Are we camping? I got the weekend off as of now. I just gotta get the permit.
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: Hammer (Avi) on September 15, 2015, 02:09:57 AM
I think it is still a bit warm for camping, also I work Sunday.
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: Chuy on September 15, 2015, 07:42:37 PM
I think it is still a bit warm for camping, also I work Sunday.

Hi 60's Low 70's at night

http://www.wunderground.com/us/az/florence
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: Hammer (Avi) on September 15, 2015, 07:44:20 PM
Sounds nice, still work :/
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: Chuy on September 15, 2015, 07:48:11 PM
Sounds nice, still work :/

Cough Cough, sick day?
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: pinchel (Rob) on September 16, 2015, 07:46:15 AM
How many permits do we have already??
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: pinchel (Rob) on September 18, 2015, 07:27:44 AM
Just saw this trail update taken from www.experience-az.com

"August, 2015 - I ran through Box Canyon yesterday and attempted your northern bypass back to Cottonwood Canyon Rd. (the blue line). At 33 12.672, 111 17.259 I ran into a fence on the back side of the wash. You can see the trail continue but the fence has no gates and no way across it. I turned left and ran in the wash to 33 12.574, 111 18.276 where another fenced blocked me from continuing onto the trail, however, there is a faint trail along the east side of the fence that I followed to 33 12.363, 111 18.318 where I found a gate and was able to cross over to the main trail and make it out to Cottonwood Canyon Rd."

Not sure if this is going to affect us or not. I am researching it on paper maps.
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: pinchel (Rob) on September 18, 2015, 08:13:55 PM
So we meeting at the trail head a 10am?
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: Chuy on September 18, 2015, 08:50:10 PM
So we meeting at the trail head a 10am?

Seems like it but there really is no trail head at the posted address we are starting South and Heading North?
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: Hammer (Avi) on September 18, 2015, 10:20:30 PM
Google says my original map violates terms of service  :o So here is where to meet, right were 79 brakes for Price, I figure that should be an easy enough area to stop and air down at.  https://www.google.com/maps/@33.0812692,-111.3084597,13.25z
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: Hammer (Avi) on September 18, 2015, 10:20:55 PM
And yes 10 AM.
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: pinchel (Rob) on September 19, 2015, 06:42:56 AM
And yes 10 AM.

Sounds good to me. Not sure if we will be there by 10am exactly or not. The kids have a dentist appointment at 8am and we'll head out afterwards.
Title: Re: September 19th Box Canyon and Coke Ovens
Post by: Chuy on September 20, 2015, 11:01:30 AM
Big thanks to Avi for hosting this run it was a great time, so much has changed over the years. It was really fun to re-visit this area and see the differences. It looks like more parts of the trails have been blocked off, sadly that has been the trend over the years. I didn't bring a camera for this trip but wanted to post some old pictures from the previous times I was in the area.

Some vintage Box Canyon/Martinez Mine pic's for comparison.

The shelf 2011, you can see the holes are all filled in by the rains with sand and rocks, it was practically a road at the time
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e234/Medeco1/November%202011%20and%20Box%20Canyon%20039_zpsdil0uzlv.jpg) (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/Medeco1/media/November%202011%20and%20Box%20Canyon%20039_zpsdil0uzlv.jpg.html)

2013, not hard packed like before but still mostly filled in by large rocks without any big holes, my buddies stock Jeep had no issues.
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e234/Medeco1/DSC03586_zps8fj8m9ra.jpg) (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/Medeco1/media/DSC03586_zps8fj8m9ra.jpg.html)

2012, I thought I had run martinez mine more recently but it looks like it was a while ago. This is the area at the bottom of the red play hill, its all blocked off now by a cow pond and cows.
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e234/Medeco1/DSC04606_zps73rboufu.jpg) (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/Medeco1/media/DSC04606_zps73rboufu.jpg.html)

Imagine being stuck behind this group while we aired down in Box Canyon
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Here is a shot of me in the old beast negotiating the little squeeze area approaching the cabin.
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e234/Medeco1/2012_04_29_Martinez_Cabin_39_zpsdj7nji98.jpg) (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/Medeco1/media/2012_04_29_Martinez_Cabin_39_zpsdj7nji98.jpg.html)

The tallest vehicle with the most clearance in our group did not negotiate the squeeze so well
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e234/Medeco1/martinez%20cabin%20april%2012%20121_zps2k5ytjoh.jpg) (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/Medeco1/media/martinez%20cabin%20april%2012%20121_zps2k5ytjoh.jpg.html)

The entire group made it through with only that one vehicle taking damage. 
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e234/Medeco1/2012_04_29_Martinez_Cabin_46_zpsx3ubw0lm.jpg) (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/Medeco1/media/2012_04_29_Martinez_Cabin_46_zpsx3ubw0lm.jpg.html)

(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e234/Medeco1/IMG_2579_zpslziagxmy.jpg) (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/Medeco1/media/IMG_2579_zpslziagxmy.jpg.html)

(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e234/Medeco1/mc6_zpsaaljbg76.jpg) (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/Medeco1/media/mc6_zpsaaljbg76.jpg.html)