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Title: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Thupertrooper (Victor) on November 03, 2016, 07:48:19 PM
Date: January 20th to the 22nd
Location: Hackberry Creek/Oak Flats

Camping and wheeling

Planning left:
Cook out
Pot Luck
Who bring what
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Chuy on November 03, 2016, 08:09:50 PM
I am partial to the Bloody Basin area and Florence, Im up for an AZXC group sponsored camp/potluck and willing to help out any way I can, but I don't do hot dogs and hamburgers. Im about brats, steak, ribs, chili, BBQ, roasting a pig, goat etc. I enjoy putting in work, to make it happen!

I personally enjoy eating other peoples food and drinking their drinks ;D and sharing my food and drinks!

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Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Thupertrooper (Victor) on November 04, 2016, 08:33:44 AM
Atleast we know we wont starve if Chuy is there lol.

First want to narrow down an area that will allow 2wd members to get there but also 4wd for the others to explore.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: 88high on November 05, 2016, 12:08:04 AM
I suggest doing a kickoff run in the Perkinsville Rd area. There are plenty of options for different types of wheelers, and we can all camp near the riverbank near Perkinsville at the end of the day.

Here are some runs that can be taken from perkinsville:

Perkinsville to Williams: easy, wide-open dirt roads with nothing too challenging. Great for 2WDs, beginners or those that like to "overland".

Haystack loop: a short little trail loop with a few small ditches and rock features. Doable in a stock 4WD X with good driving. Some optional features in the creek and mud holes can be challenging.

Smiley rock trail: moderate. 285s, 4WD, and skids required. Very technical in sections.

Smiley rock creek: very technical. 35s, full skids, and lockers reccomended. Attempt the infamous waterfall section...

Attached is a picture of the proposed camp spot. If you want pictures of the other trails, let me know and I can go out and take some pics.

Only issues I could see being a problem is that Perkinsville is a highly volcanic area, with a lot of ranching going on too. When it rains, it is death mud. By that, I mean my 35" mud tires get clogged and you can drift in 4WD. Depending on the weather, it can range from dusty to super muddy.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Chuy on November 07, 2016, 02:55:38 PM

No date yet that will be in another poll. This is just to see where you guys would like to wheel/camp. Both 2wd/4wd friendly.

Lets start off with some areas
Prescott
Flagstaff
Payson
Globe

What are some wheeling areas in Globe? That is an awesome place, I have done a few trails there in my Jeep but they were pretty rough. If the Oak Flats camp ground area is still open that would make for a nice group camp/picnic area. I believe they might still have facilities and built in grills. My favorite hiking trail is in the area.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: pinchel (Rob) on November 09, 2016, 07:20:44 AM
Anything further east, Payson -> Show Low -> ?
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Thupertrooper (Victor) on November 09, 2016, 09:19:03 AM
I been wanting to take Cave Creek rd all the way up to Strawberry. With a couple forest roads and looks like 1 river crossing. I havnt had time to drive it so have no clue how the terrain is.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: PitSnipe (Kyle) on November 09, 2016, 09:20:10 AM
I been wanting to take Cave Creek rd all the way up to Strawberry. With a couple forest roads and looks like 1 river crossing. I havnt had time to drive it so have no clue how the terrain is.

From Sheeps Bridge Ive taken the Cave Creek way home.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Thupertrooper (Victor) on November 09, 2016, 09:26:54 AM


From Sheeps Bridge Ive taken the Cave Creek way home.


I followed 3 forest roads north of sheeps bridge and made it to Childs Campsite but have to cross the Verde River. After the campsite you get to Strawberry. Way too busy to do a run before the kickoff but if its 2wd it would be a nice backroad convoy to a decent campsite. As for the river crossing who knows how deep it is even though there are trails that show where to cross.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: PitSnipe (Kyle) on November 09, 2016, 09:30:11 AM


From Sheeps Bridge Ive taken the Cave Creek way home.


I followed 3 forest roads north of sheeps bridge and made it to Childs Campsite but have to cross the Verde River. After the campsite you get to Strawberry. Way too busy to do a run before the kickoff but if its 2wd it would be a nice backroad convoy to a decent campsite. As for the river crossing who knows how deep it is even though there are trails that show where to cross.

I believe the Dugas Rd exit off the I17 will also get you to the same side of the river across from Childs.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Thupertrooper (Victor) on November 09, 2016, 09:35:13 AM
If possible the soonest i can do a scout run in that area would the 26th of Nov.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: PitSnipe (Kyle) on November 09, 2016, 10:02:26 AM
If possible the soonest i can do a scout run in that area would the 26th of Nov.

I am off both of my jobs that day. Unless my wife has something planned I can join you. 2wd should be able to make that. I would highly doubt a river crossing though.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Thupertrooper (Victor) on November 09, 2016, 10:36:20 AM
Yup we could do i17 to Dugas rd. Cross the river to Childs power rd then fossil creek rd and that goes into Strawberry.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: PitSnipe (Kyle) on November 09, 2016, 12:10:02 PM
Yup we could do i17 to Dugas rd. Cross the river to Childs power rd then fossil creek rd and that goes into Strawberry.

That is if we can cross the river. Ive been there twice and have seen a crossing. Avi has been there more than me and may know a spot.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: AZGeorge on November 11, 2016, 09:28:20 PM
Sounds fun
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Hammer (Avi) on November 12, 2016, 02:00:07 AM
I have seen vehicles cross the river, but have never attempted it.  There used to be a bridge but it is shut down now. 
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Chuy on November 13, 2016, 08:30:59 PM
I have seen vehicles cross the river, but have never attempted it.  There used to be a bridge but it is shut down now.

I know several people who have crossed it on 33's. Not sure if this would be possible for 2WD, as its deep!

I have done deep crossings after building up the road here is an example of how easily an impassible crossing can be made into a road with a few hours of engineering. This crossing was also built in the rain by just a few people.

https://drive.google.com/a/g.cofc.edu/file/d/0B1d_6zPtiu5JeW9IMTJ2b2NubTg/view?usp=sharing

Xterra OR Locked on 33'w and Land Cruiser triple locked on 35's
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Thupertrooper (Victor) on December 06, 2016, 08:57:13 AM
So me and Kyle ran this trail and looped it back to bloody basin and was the longest trail ever.
As for the kickoff run 2wd cannot run the entire trail and will have to turn around at the top. As for the camping its going to be pretty cold and windy. No river crossing till summer and we can check depth.

Still open to requests and suggestions.
Anybody want to vote crown king area?
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: m.sainz12 on December 06, 2016, 02:00:55 PM
I'd be down for crown king but we did a kick off run up there back in 2015. I won't be camping so as long as I'm home that night I don't care
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Chuy on December 06, 2016, 03:09:36 PM
Main thing to decide is if you want it to be a 4WD or 2WD event or both. I'm not 100% sure on exact numbers but I believe about 1/3 of the AZXC members are 2WD.   
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Pax (Eric) on December 06, 2016, 04:02:07 PM
We should for sure include 2wd trails for those who dont want to push as hard as well as the 2wd's who will attend
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: DBAX on December 06, 2016, 05:00:24 PM
FR300 from west to east is 45 miles of scenic high country dirt road, ok for 2wd and those 4wd folks who don't want to push it. You'll end on the east side w/ lots of land for dispersed camping near Woods Canyon, etc. Down the hill, cabins can be found in Christopher Creek, Payson, and Strawberry.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Thupertrooper (Victor) on December 06, 2016, 05:09:31 PM
FR300 from west to east is 45 miles of scenic high country dirt road, ok for 2wd and those 4wd folks who don't want to push it. You'll end on the east side w/ lots of land for dispersed camping near Woods Canyon, etc. Down the hill, cabins can be found in Christopher Creek, Payson, and Strawberry.

Was just at FR300 it was inaccessible by 2wd(besides tire chains) if you don't mind freezing Dugas Rd is a nice 2wd to the top but not looped unless 4wd.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Hammer (Avi) on December 09, 2016, 10:19:57 AM
I don't think we have a hard set rule on 2wd accessible.  My preference has been for the kick off run to be 4x4 stock accessible, though we have had some 2wd out in recent years.  I know Bloody Basin isn't an issue.  With Crown King we have had 2wd make it, but if we had run into snow at the top it could become a mess quickly.  It is usually nice to have the camping area 2wd accessible, with wheeling trails for 4x4. 
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Thupertrooper (Victor) on December 09, 2016, 12:47:21 PM
If Chuy can chime in. Is there any trails in Superior / FJ that are 2wd accessible to a campsite and 4wd can keep going to explore? 
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Chuy on December 09, 2016, 02:37:34 PM
If Chuy can chime in. Is there any trails in Superior / FJ that are 2wd accessible to a campsite and 4wd can keep going to explore?

Plenty of 2WD trails in the area off Cochran Rd, and lots of 4x4 and more technical 4x4 options that splinter off from Box Canyon.

Cochran Rd to large wash to Copper Basin Rail Road Bridge to Cochran Crossing 2WD

South to North or North to South Box Canyon- Stock 4x4

Box Canyon to Martinez Mine - Stock 4x4

South Box Canyon past Coke Ovens to Cochran Rd - 4x4 + 33's or skids

Jack Handle 4x4 + 35"s

Highway 2 Hell 4x4 + 35"s

Lots of other optional obstacles in the area, too many to name or remember. If someone had a big map of section 37B, I could point out all of the trail areas and some excellent large group 2WD accessible camp locations. I was just there this past October.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Stephen on December 10, 2016, 08:17:36 PM
I would like to do crown king because it is stock 4x4 accessible and modified 2wd accessible. What's nice is there are obstacles for the modified 4x4 to play on. It's also a family friendly run with places to pull off and have lunch and room for the kids to play around.

I'll throw my hat in for CK.

I could also do Pyeatt Draw as that was a lot of fun with a good camping area.

Sn0
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: XterrasNameIsMolly (Justin) on December 11, 2016, 02:46:27 PM
Oh box canyon! My vote
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: pinchel (Rob) on December 12, 2016, 10:53:45 AM
Oh box canyon! My vote

I think Box canyon is doable for 2wd if we come down the trail from the north.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Stephen on December 12, 2016, 03:56:53 PM
Can we please try NOT to coordinate this event on the weekend of Jan 28th and Feb 11th?  I have a scout thing those weekends.

Thank you,
Sn0
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Chuy on December 12, 2016, 05:33:01 PM
If you guys want to do FJ, this is what I would recommend.

All - Meet at FJ Flag pole staging area

2WD Group -  go to camp spot via Florence Kelvin Highway optional Wash/river/Copper basin rail road bridge/Rock Building/ Mine shaft/ Cochran Ghost town exploring, meet at camp spot

Stock 4x4 group - do box canyon North to South maybe optional Martinez Mine Hike, take Florence Kelvin Rd to camp spot

Built 4x4 group -  enter North Box Canyon split off to do trail "past coke ovens" cross the river south to Cochran Rd and meet at camp spot


The 2WD and Stock 4x4 group will be done first so I would recommend meeting the Built 4x4 group at the river crossing incase winching or recovery is needed due to road condition or water level form the other side.

The camp spot or spots I would recommend are centralized to all trails and car accessible for the most part.

Night Run Day Prior and After- go see all of the landmarks the 2WD group did, the river in the canyon looks amazing under a full moon.


Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Thupertrooper (Victor) on December 12, 2016, 06:38:18 PM
Very well write up Chuy. I can never disagree with this guy 8)
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: pinchel (Rob) on December 13, 2016, 08:46:33 AM
taco truck
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Thupertrooper (Victor) on December 28, 2016, 10:24:00 AM
If you guys want to do FJ, this is what I would recommend.

All - Meet at FJ Flag pole staging area

2WD Group -  go to camp spot via Florence Kelvin Highway optional Wash/river/Copper basin rail road bridge/Rock Building/ Mine shaft/ Cochran Ghost town exploring, meet at camp spot

Stock 4x4 group - do box canyon North to South maybe optional Martinez Mine Hike, take Florence Kelvin Rd to camp spot

Built 4x4 group -  enter North Box Canyon split off to do trail "past coke ovens" cross the river south to Cochran Rd and meet at camp spot


The 2WD and Stock 4x4 group will be done first so I would recommend meeting the Built 4x4 group at the river crossing incase winching or recovery is needed due to road condition or water level form the other side.

The camp spot or spots I would recommend are centralized to all trails and car accessible for the most part.

Night Run Day Prior and After- go see all of the landmarks the 2WD group did, the river in the canyon looks amazing under a full moon.

^^^

So far this is what we have to work with. Its a great write up thank you Chuy.

Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: pinchel (Rob) on December 28, 2016, 10:44:53 AM
I work the last weekends of January and the 15th is my birthday weekend so I doubt my wife will like that, she made plans with the family already so that leaves the 7th which is really close.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: PitSnipe (Kyle) on December 28, 2016, 11:11:28 AM
Damn. Looks like I am out this year. I have every weekend booked in January already.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Thupertrooper (Victor) on December 29, 2016, 01:54:13 PM
Option can be the 21st and make the Hackberry creek run a kick off run with 2wd on a different trail. Plus camping.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Chuy on December 29, 2016, 02:43:04 PM
Option can be the 21st and make the Hackberry creek run a kick off run with 2wd on a different trail. Plus camping.

If Hackberry Creek is the proposed spot, the Oak Flats camp ground area is easily 2WD accessible. I think there are a couple easier 4x4 trails in the area. There is also an awesome/tough hike in the canyon, that I would personally be up for. The camp ground was semi-improved last time I was there. The drive up there is also really nice. It will be a little cold at night and their isn't any wood around. I would just factor in everyone brining some wood like last time.



Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Thupertrooper (Victor) on December 29, 2016, 02:59:15 PM
So looking like we have the date and place will organize this later when i get a chance.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Chuy on December 30, 2016, 06:59:42 AM
So looking like we have the date and place will organize this later when i get a chance.

Is this cool with the CSNE people? I feel like we are kind of taking over their run and making it into our own event since they in reality only have one of their rigs going.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Thupertrooper (Victor) on December 30, 2016, 07:16:05 AM
Well Eron runs the CSNE side of the events and we wheel together so we are just combining them to have less little events and maybe more rigs.

Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Thupertrooper (Victor) on December 30, 2016, 07:36:09 AM
Date and Place have been decided.
Thank you Chuy for your input i didnt mean to change the plans even though i agreed.
Just to make it easier all we have left to plan is our cook out/pot luck. And who needs to bring what besides everybody bringing firewood lol.
Title: Re: 2017 Kickoff Run Suggestions
Post by: Chuy on December 30, 2016, 08:28:50 AM

Thank you Chuy for your input i didnt mean to change the plans even though i agreed.
Just to make it easier all we have left to plan is our cook out/pot luck. And who needs to bring what besides everybody bringing firewood lol.

Its no problem, I have done the FJ area dozens of times, I sent you some pics of my excursion from earlier this year. I have only been to Oak Flats/Hackberry a handful. I have always wanted to camp out there, especially now since its a further drive for me.

I imagine the area will eventually be closed off completely with the increased mining. It has changed a lot over the years, my dad said as a kid their use to be a ton of large trees at the camp ground area and that the small creek was always running.