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General Discussion => Open Discussions => Topic started by: remo1991(Brent) on January 07, 2013, 11:59:53 AM

Title: your thoughts on spring packs
Post by: remo1991(Brent) on January 07, 2013, 11:59:53 AM
I'm getting ready to lift my X and I was just seeing what you guys think of these( Old Man Emu CS061R Dakar Rear Leaf Springs.) with PRG adjustable shackles. I'm looking for about 2.5 to 3 inches of lift all the way around. As always I know you guys will steer me in the right direction. 
Title: Re: your thoughts on spring packs
Post by: Slapshotking09 on January 07, 2013, 02:49:20 PM
My opinion is alcans all the way.
Title: Re: your thoughts on spring packs
Post by: AZXterra410 on January 07, 2013, 03:45:38 PM
As usual I think it boils down to what you want to spend. Never heard anything negative about the OME packs, and for the price it seems like a great deal. Alcans I think are the obvious "best" choice, but the price is almost double that of the OME kit.
Title: Re: your thoughts on spring packs
Post by: Hammer (Avi) on January 07, 2013, 06:12:43 PM
The OME have a good history of being a quality product, but if they are not at the lift you are looking for adding a shackle to adjust isn't the "best" option.  I have an AAL and shackle and it works great, but everyone will tell you, it isn't the "best" option, and the stock leafs may some day break. 

Keep in mind that though Alcans often come up in discussion on the forums, they are not the only ones who make custom spring packs.  There are some companies that do it locally,  although they aren't sponsors so I can't remember their names.  Fangers got some custom rear spring packs done locally, give him a shout.  
Title: Re: your thoughts on spring packs
Post by: stout-x on January 07, 2013, 07:26:01 PM
I had my done at Dunbar springs in phoenix. They re-arch them and added a leaf to the pack. Now i don't have to run a after market shackles.

Nice thing is that they will work with on the height. Plus at the same time they will ask you to fill your gas tank and put all your gear in the truck so they understand the load you will  be putting on them.

i hope this helps
Title: Re: your thoughts on spring packs
Post by: AZ-Ted on January 07, 2013, 09:41:47 PM
x2 on Dunbar Spring - if you want to go local.  They will customize whatever you can dream up.

Alcans are also a good choice.  I don't have any experience with OME, so I can't comment.
Title: Re: your thoughts on spring packs
Post by: remo1991(Brent) on January 08, 2013, 03:13:21 PM
As always thanks great information I think I will try local first. Anyone Know Dunbar Springs hours? Thanks again everyone.
Title: Re: your thoughts on spring packs
Post by: AZXterra410 on January 08, 2013, 03:27:07 PM
Any ballpark on what Dunbar charges? Was going to go with Alcans in the near future but I will check them out if they are competative.
Title: Re: your thoughts on spring packs
Post by: stout-x on January 08, 2013, 03:50:44 PM
Here are the hours for Dunbar Spring

Address: 718 West Jefferson Street, Phoenix, AZ 85007

Phone:(602) 258-6901
Hours:Monday thru Friday 7:30 am 4:30 pm
 
Title: Re: your thoughts on spring packs
Post by: remo1991(Brent) on January 08, 2013, 06:54:13 PM
Thanks Stout-X and I'll find out tomorrow AZXterra410 Thanks agian guys I'll try to return the favor some day
Title: Re: your thoughts on spring packs
Post by: DBAX on December 23, 2015, 02:03:31 PM
REMO, you ever pull the trigger on the springpacks? I'm looking to do this immediately and would like a ballpark price.
 :)
Title: Re: your thoughts on spring packs
Post by: sunny1881 on December 28, 2015, 09:49:19 PM
REMO, you ever pull the trigger on the springpacks? I'm looking to do this immediately and would like a ballpark price.
 :)

Alcans for sure, iirc mine were about $600 shipped to my door a few years back.
Title: Re: your thoughts on spring packs
Post by: DBAX on December 29, 2015, 08:05:38 AM
Cool, I've emailed Dunbar and will go with 3" lift and military wrap..
Title: Re: your thoughts on spring packs
Post by: Clifford3200 on December 29, 2015, 03:35:47 PM
I was quoted $680 from Alcan for a 5" full replacement leaf pack. Just got off the phone with Dunbar and they quoted me $450 for a re-arch and add a left, they told me I'd probably get 3"-4" out of it. I asked what the cost of another add a leaf and said it would be another $150. So $600 if I get the re-arch and 2 add a leafs. $450-$600 with my original leafs and adds, or $680 for a brand new pack with 1"-2" more of a lift...
Title: Re: your thoughts on spring packs
Post by: Conundrum on December 29, 2015, 03:53:52 PM
Re-arch doesn't last in my opinion.
Title: Re: your thoughts on spring packs
Post by: Stephen on December 31, 2015, 08:44:11 AM
I was quoted $680 from Alcan for a 5" full replacement leaf pack. Just got off the phone with Dunbar and they quoted me $450 for a re-arch and add a left, they told me I'd probably get 3"-4" out of it. I asked what the cost of another add a leaf and said it would be anothe $150. So $600 if I get the re-arch and 2 add a leafs. $450-$600 with my original leafs and adds, or $680 for a brand new pack with 1"-2" more of a lift...

Definitely do not re-arch the springs.

BTW, with the Alcan's, you do not want to go bigger than 4" with the leaf pack.  You end up with a leaf pack WAY to arched, which will cause lateral (side to side) issues.  You put too much lateral pressure on the leafs, causing them to wear pre-maturely.  What you want to do, if 5" is your desired height, is to go with a 3" lift leaf pack and a 2" shackle.  The shackle will help the spring flex WAY better, and you'll still the get the height you want.  This is the best solution to go to 5".

VERY IMPORTANT SIDE NOTE:
On the 2nd Gen X, if you go over 4", you HAVE to do the driveshaft mod, otherwise you will wear out the seal and bearings prematurely on the transfer case.  Even with a 4* shim, it's going to cause issues.  You MIGHT be able to get away with using the driveshaft from an X with a c200 rear axle because those are about 1/2" longer along with the 4* shim, but it's WELL worth it to get the parts from Tom Woods DS (about $150 shipped) and get your driveshaft modified at a driveline shop here in AZ (about $150),  You will get a double cardon instead of the CV joint, which is significantly stronger and serviceable on the trail if it ever blew up.

While going over 4" seems awesome, that is the tipping point between just getting a $680 leaf pack and axle shim to adding on another $300-350 to get the driveshaft modified.

Sn0
Title: Re: your thoughts on spring packs
Post by: Clifford3200 on January 06, 2016, 11:59:28 PM
I was quoted $680 from Alcan for a 5" full replacement leaf pack. Just got off the phone with Dunbar and they quoted me $450 for a re-arch and add a left, they told me I'd probably get 3"-4" out of it. I asked what the cost of another add a leaf and said it would be another $150. So $600 if I get the re-arch and 2 add a leafs. $450-$600 with my original leafs and adds, or $680 for a brand new pack with 1"-2" more of a lift...

Definitely do not re-arch the springs.

BTW, with the Alcan's, you do not want to go bigger than 4" with the leaf pack.  You end up with a leaf pack WAY to arched, which will cause lateral (side to side) issues.  You put too much lateral pressure on the leafs, causing them to wear pre-maturely.  What you want to do, if 5" is your desired height, is to go with a 3" lift leaf pack and a 2" shackle.  The shackle will help the spring flex WAY better, and you'll still the get the height you want.  This is the best solution to go to 5".

VERY IMPORTANT SIDE NOTE:
On the 2nd Gen X, if you go over 4", you HAVE to do the driveshaft mod, otherwise you will wear out the seal and bearings prematurely on the transfer case.  Even with a 4* shim, it's going to cause issues.  You MIGHT be able to get away with using the driveshaft from an X with a c200 rear axle because those are about 1/2" longer along with the 4* shim, but it's WELL worth it to get the parts from Tom Woods DS (about $150 shipped) and get your driveshaft modified at a driveline shop here in AZ (about $150),  You will get a double cardon instead of the CV joint, which is significantly stronger and serviceable on the trail if it ever blew up.

While going over 4" seems awesome, that is the tipping point between just getting a $680 leaf pack and axle shim to adding on another $300-350 to get the driveshaft modified.

Sn0

Thank you so much for all of that info. I'll have to get a new quote at 4". As for the driveshaft mod, will that still be applicable on a 2wd? I plan for a full 7" lift in the rear and 7.5" in the front to level it out. Any futher suggestions for that? I plan for 5" suspension while SlapshotKing advised no higher than 2" bl so thats where that came from.