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Author Topic: Obama's gun laws  (Read 4450 times)

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Re: Obama's gun laws
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2013, 01:32:27 AM »
Not "so called history of facts" but actual history, actual facts.

He has never been a fan of the Constitution as written and of all the amendments the 2nd is the one you can find the most information about as to how he believes, feels and acts. Not how I believe, feel or act, but how he actually has voted, how he has actually been quoted and how he has chosen his administration.

It does not matter whether or not you are trying to debate in regards to facts. It only matters that he will indeed act as he believes and his beliefs have not changed one bit in all  his political life.

As far as the NRA and their claims, all they have to know is the same facts you and I have to base our own votes, assumptions and hopes on.

All of those facts are there for the mining, you can look them up, how he as voted in the past, all that he has said in the past and all the people he chose to surround himself with to create and enforce executive policy with.

Even the most shallow depth of research towards that end will bring you to the only conclusion possible, he is not a pro-rights president.

I am not a NRA guy, I am not a republican, and I despise the idea of anyone assuming these two groups of clowns would who I would choose to represent me and my natural born, inalienable rights that are enumerated in the Constitution in plain, easy to understand, ENGLISH.

This is not Obama's first bout with gun laws or even his first bout with Constitutional rights. He believes, in his own words, that our rights can and should be regulated.

As far the ATF doing its job, THERE SHOULD NOT EVEN BE AN ATF in existence.

As far as a gun grab, or confiscation, this is not an efficient way to get rid of guns, the efficient way is how they have been doing it for over a hundred years. They chip away, the make little things illegal and create arbitrary laws as to how long barrels can be, how many rounds can be in a magazine, whether or not a pistol grip can be there, just how scary looking a rifle is allowed to be and with all these arbitrary, incremental, meaningless regulations and laws the window of what is considered "common sense gun laws" is constantly moving towards the elimination of meaningful gun ownership by the populace.  The progressives have been playing the long game on this for a while now and Obama knows it, he will not over reach on this as he did health care because he knows there is a huge difference to many between getting "free stuff" compared to confiscation of the private property of a lot of government dependant white trash "Boone County" types who would otherwise support him, that is unless there was some kind of appreciable reward that would appeal to those people at the time over their right to "feel" rather then actually be independent.

You seem to be arguing this topic as if the present Obama and his present administration exist in a vacuum, a bubble in time that is just trying to feel out the situation as if it has no preconceptions as to how they feel or think about the Bill of Rights and the 2nd Amendment in particular, yet any research you will do should you be willing would show you all  you need to know as to how they will move and how they will rule.

The "lets wait and see" attitude will not work any better now then it did for the Jewish community, Gypsies, and those afflicted mentally and physically during Adolf's reign over conquered Europe, and before you dismiss this as hyperbole you should remember one thing, Adolf did not take over, he was elected. He was a socialist who believed in a strong and empowered central government, and he was elected. The whistle blowers of the time were ignored and viewed as kooks at that time just as they are now, just as they were at the founding of this country and so it will be at the fall of this country.

We no longer live in a comfortable financial margin in which a "lets wait and see" attitude can be a healthy way to view our current situation as citizens, or as nations. Our spending habits, the world's spending habits, are about to bring everything we think we know into question, and I say this knowing full well that my utterances can affect my own bottom line and ability to survive.

We no longer live in a world where every issue can be argued in a bullshit "left vs right" construct. We live in a world where left and right are just flavors of tyranny, and you can choose one if you like, but I choose neither. The only political spectrum that matters to me is liberty vs tyranny and where you choose to live on that line has no left or right, it only has degrees of how much tyranny you think is comfortable enough to live under once you leave the extreme liberty end. I myself am an extremist, I believe in small and efficient government, and the most expanded natural individual rights possible, and those rights are only made possible with the inclusion of gun ownership. Without that we are at the whim of the ruling class, no matter what side of this bullshit right vs left spectrum they appear to be on.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2013, 01:43:35 AM by fangars »

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Re: Obama's gun laws
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2013, 08:07:28 AM »
Independent of what has been said, you have to take into account the difference between State and Federal law. We live in perhaps the most pro-gun state in the US, or one of the most. If Obama does pass new gun laws that restrict ownership or magazines or whatever, the state can still manuever around these bans. Look at the states as it is now, they swing HUGELY in different directions regarding gun control. And if you dont think that a state can circumvent federal law, look at the marijuana debate. Federally illegal, but you can still walk into denver and get some...

So as an Arizona citizen, we can still vote to keep things at a state level if Obama enacts new laws.

Thats why I am not worried about it atm.